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Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by MetaphysicalBeing » 10 Sep 2017, 17:38

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Character Name:Roovic Eins

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban):Researcher & CMO

Admin who banned you (if known):Not sure but a moderator talked to me about banning me for it.

Total Ban Duration:I think perma.

Remaining Duration: Unlimited.

What other servers do you play on? None.

Are you now or have you been banned on any of them? N/A

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): As a CMO I was being selfless going down to a the planetside doing research with my researcher because they wanted me to accompany them to gather science equipment, though I did not get permission to go down but I still went down leaving med bay which I was told it's a must to watch over if you are CMO.

For researcher I did the same thing but not to be selfless but to gather science equipment as well, I thought it was okay to do so being that I am not CMO and I don't need to watch over the medbay, further info I did not have permission but no one responded to my request be that it was lowpop.

[ but to b]Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable)[/b]:N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): I was under the impression I could visit the planetside without any higher regard and I was wrong, I will no longer do so a for I have learned my lesson the hard way. Civilians cannot go planet side without permission.

I apologize for my actions.

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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by ZDashe » 10 Sep 2017, 20:47

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Regarding heading planetside without permission,
  • Warned on 7th September
  • CMO job ban, staff PMs on 9th September:

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    [04:10:10]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Just doublechecking, you did get permission from the acting commander to head down right?
    [04:10:23]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Umm, yes I think.
    [04:10:31]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): You think?
    [04:10:33]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I asked the LT
    [04:10:53]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Who is the LT you asked?
    [04:11:00]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : And I gave permission to send down assistant
    [04:11:09]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Umm Claiire?
    [04:12:06]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): > Yes and i am not launching it since you don't have permission to go down
    [04:12:10]ADMIN: ZDashe jumped to MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)
    [04:12:19]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : She said that?
    [04:12:40]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Then what did she "say" to you?
    [04:12:55]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I forgot honestly
    [04:13:16]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I'm justr trying to assist my assistant, they wanted me down.
    [04:13:20]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Then you don't have permission to go down. You're the head of your department event
    [04:13:23]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): even*
    [04:13:38]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Let this be a warning
    [04:13:47]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Okay...
    [04:13:56]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Actually I see you have ALREADY been warned before
    [04:13:59]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Should I head up?
    [04:14:09]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Tell me why I shouldn't just job ban you?
    [04:14:13]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I was I remember now.
    [04:14:28]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Well I did this out of generosity to my researcher.
    [04:14:38]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): So that's an excuse for breaking server rules?
    [04:14:44]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : They wanted me to ocompanny then to science department,
    [04:15:07]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Well she told me to hurry and get on the ship and I just ran on forgetting....
    [04:15:19]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I just came backk from AFK....
    [04:15:25]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : It was sudden.
    [04:16:01]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Will you show me mercy for my selflessness?
    [04:17:22]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): You need EXPLICIT permission to head down, not decide on your own and think it's ok. Especially when the SO expressed not to.
    [04:17:48]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I understand....
    [04:18:28]ADMIN: ZDashe perma-banned MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins) from Chief Medical Officer
    [04:18:59]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Do I need to appeal this on the forums?
    [04:19:27]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Yes, but don't expect it to be lifted so soon, especially when all this happened too recently and too frequently
    [04:20:47]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): And you still decided to stay on the surface eh?
    [04:20:54]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : No....
    [04:21:12]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : The ship took off...
    [04:21:21]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): And you got off the ship that took off
    [04:21:38]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I was checking to see if anyone was nearby...
    [04:21:46]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : It was empty...
    [04:21:56]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I thought the PO was gone.
    [04:22:13]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : Please have mercy upon me.
    [04:22:26]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->ZDashe : I'm just trying to be a good person. 
    
  • Researcher job ban staff PMs on 10th September:

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    [04:09:29]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Explain why you're planetside.
    [04:09:51]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : Lookming for science equipment, but got caught in a fire foight
    [04:10:07]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Right, so that's why you're manning a machine-gun as a civilian without permission from the CO?
    [04:10:34]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Or rather, planetside without permission whilst front-lining as a civilian researcher.
    [04:10:36]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : It was in the moment... I don't have any weapns though.
    [04:10:46]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Okay, so you never got permission to head planetside?
    [04:11:06]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : No, there was not acting in command when I went down.
    [04:11:30]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): There has been an acting commander the entire round. There has also been a CMO. 
    [04:11:56]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : Oh, well I asked and noone responded...
    [04:12:19]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): So you went with permission anyway? After being job-banned for the exact same reason just yesterday?
    [04:12:26]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Without permission, rather.
    [04:12:48]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : I was told not to as CMO, not as a researcher. I thought it was different...
    [04:13:04]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : I was told CMO has to watch over medbay.
    [04:13:39]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Then you obviously haven't read our rules about deploying to the planet as a crewmember. I'm giving you a job-ban from researcher. You will have to appeal this on the forums.
    [04:14:05]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : I understand, I guess the rules have been updated?
    [04:14:24]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): No. They've been there for about four months now.
    [04:14:40]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : Alright.
    [04:14:58]ADMIN: PM: MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins)->Robotonic : If I get the opertunity I'll head up.
    [04:15:33]ADMIN: Robotonic  perma-banned MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins) from Researcher
    [04:16:03]ADMIN: PM: Robotonic ->MetaphysicalPersona/(Roovic Eins): Right. Head to the ship the next landing the dropship makes or we're going to have issues. 
    
Regarding the "Vampire Blood", I have personally seen this on at least 4 rounds by now, and it always ends up with either getting shut down by the CO (Field executed) /MP (investigated)/CMO (denied distribution). Would imagine you'd have stopped trying by now after people kept getting ODed from your misleadingly labelled pills.

Regarding lifting Researcher and Doctor job ban, i'm voting for no. CMO job ban, definitely not. Too recent and too frequent bans.
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by Nicboone » 10 Sep 2017, 22:44

Contributing as a witness here-

I too have also seen many rounds where in somewhat broken english, roovic makes a ton of "vampire pills" then proceeds to find ways to insinuate people should take them. On a few investigations, he has refused to let other doctors or MP's eximine the pills, claimed he told marines to take only one [or that he didnt distribute them] while also using a microphone to announce that people should take them with little to no instruction.

On multiple rounds now, he was asked to stop or remove hyperzine from these pills. The drug itself is designed in a way that more than one pill will kill the player. Each time he ends up agreeing to these terms, then immediately resumes with the same pill recipe he was cautioned against.

It is my experience that this player may have been intentionally misleading in an attempt to get marines to overdose, and I think it would be unwise to lift a job ban so soon after these matches. He was on not 3 hours ago, pulling the same thing.
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by Challenger » 10 Sep 2017, 23:09

I've seen/gotten this guy brigged 3 times in the last week. 2 times he RP'd being borderline insane albeit he did it well. Today about 8:30 pm (AFTER this jobban) he was a doctor who made the same pills, got told by the CMO to stop, ignored her orders, ignored my (MP) direction to follow her orders, disarmed her when she bodyblocked him from leaving, then disarmed me for the same reason, all because he wouldn't let the CMO examine his pills which likely wouldn't even have gotten him arrested. He gets brigged for hooliganism, released, and then brigged again by the WO fifteen minutes later for drug distribution.

I recommend jobbanning this guy from doctor, he's basically locking up the role every round for a harmful researcher gimmick.
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by Skysoldier » 10 Sep 2017, 23:48

I'm not sure if this counts for anything, but every time I've seen him be any medical role he didn't do anything that would actually help anyone, doesn't make any relevant chems, made some gimmicky pills that has been shown to be harmful by ODing most marines who take them, regardless of how he always says take one. I don't think he really does any surgery or first aid either when people ask for them, and I still see him running around the ship in hyperzine speed doing god knows what.

I don't know but continuously not doing what the role is supposed to do, and in fact seems to 'actively' not do anything and fool around warrants some demerit from roles I'd say is somewhat crucial to marine gameplay.
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by MetaphysicalBeing » 10 Sep 2017, 23:53

Nicboone wrote:
10 Sep 2017, 22:44
Contributing as a witness here-

I too have also seen many rounds where in somewhat broken english, roovic makes a ton of "vampire pills" then proceeds to find ways to insinuate people should take them. On a few investigations, he has refused to let other doctors or MP's eximine the pills, claimed he told marines to take only one [or that he didnt distribute them] while also using a microphone to announce that people should take them with little to no instruction.

On multiple rounds now, he was asked to stop or remove hyperzine from these pills. The drug itself is designed in a way that more than one pill will kill the player. Each time he ends up agreeing to these terms, then immediately resumes with the same pill recipe he was cautioned against.

It is my experience that this player may have been intentionally misleading in an attempt to get marines to overdose, and I think it would be unwise to lift a job ban so soon after these matches. He was on not 3 hours ago, pulling the same thing.
Why would I intentionally harm other players for no apparent reason, I'm just trying to help them and I always say take one! soon after I stop distributing them and only gave it to those who asked.

Where are all the good witnesses when I need them I did nothing wrong!
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by MetaphysicalBeing » 11 Sep 2017, 00:27

Skysoldier wrote:
10 Sep 2017, 23:48
I'm not sure if this counts for anything, but every time I've seen him be any medical role he didn't do anything that would actually help anyone, doesn't make any relevant chems, made some gimmicky pills that has been shown to be harmful by ODing most marines who take them, regardless of how he always says take one. I don't think he really does any surgery or first aid either when people ask for them, and I still see him running around the ship in hyperzine speed doing god knows what.

I don't know but continuously not doing what the role is supposed to do, and in fact seems to 'actively' not do anything and fool around warrants some demerit from roles I'd say is somewhat crucial to marine gameplay.
Well you clearly aren't watching me and I'm a researcher not a doctor or medic most of the time I'm not prioritizing in helping hurt people, but if there are a lot of hurt personnel I'd help or if commanded to. Second I do make normal and useful chemicals before I even go to make any of my custom chemicals.

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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by Wubs4Scrubs » 11 Sep 2017, 02:08

I just want to chime in here because I saw you do literally the same exact thing multiple rounds in a row. For two or three rounds I had the misfortune of having you as the CMO. Each round without fail you would make a dash straight to the Chem Lab and start making hundreds of "Vampire Pills" which were killing marines. You would completely ignore all the medics asking you what was in the pills and instead just sit there and continue pumping out hundreds of "Vampire Pills." Even when you were arrested, called out, and even field executed in the chem lab for your actions you continued to come back round after round and keep doing the same thing.

Now, from both reading through your posts here and interacting with you in game I'm going to make the assumption that English isn't your first language. When I would try talking to you in person I couldn't tell if you were really good at RP'ing somebody who didn't speak English or it was unintentional. But due to the language barrier I don't know if you've grasped why people were angry with you during all those rounds. You don't come across to me as some common griefer, however I think that somebody who can barely communicate in the server's only language shouldn't be anywhere near important roles.
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by Bronimin » 11 Sep 2017, 03:03

I love manufacturing combat stimulants and coming up with unorthodox delivery methods and I can agree, marines are retarded and will ignore all of your instructions and overdose no matter how many times you tell them how to take the stimulant safely.

It came to a point where I was syringing Hyperzine/Synaptizine solutions into protein bars, putting six of them in a box and a paper titles README with instructions for use and marines were STILL overdosing.

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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by Kernir » 11 Sep 2017, 05:09

Making potentially lethal chems, mislabling them and then proceeding to do nothing but produce them... even going so far as to spike food with said lethal chems does not instil any level of confidence in me that you are capable of these roles.

Forgot to mention: I've only ever seen Roovic sprinting around the ship on hyperzine when playing as medical staff, last night when he was a doctor for the UPP the first thing he started attempting to do was 'Produce elixirs'. It seems a running thing for him at this point, though I wasn't aware till now that he was actively mislabling pills.

A quick edit: The spiked food was another user posting on the topic.
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by MetaphysicalBeing » 11 Sep 2017, 06:02

Wubs4Scrubs wrote:
11 Sep 2017, 02:08
I just want to chime in here because I saw you do literally the same exact thing multiple rounds in a row. For two or three rounds I had the misfortune of having you as the CMO. Each round without fail you would make a dash straight to the Chem Lab and start making hundreds of "Vampire Pills" which were killing marines. You would completely ignore all the medics asking you what was in the pills and instead just sit there and continue pumping out hundreds of "Vampire Pills." Even when you were arrested, called out, and even field executed in the chem lab for your actions you continued to come back round after round and keep doing the same thing.

Now, from both reading through your posts here and interacting with you in game I'm going to make the assumption that English isn't your first language. When I would try talking to you in person I couldn't tell if you were really good at RP'ing somebody who didn't speak English or it was unintentional. But due to the language barrier I don't know if you've grasped why people were angry with you during all those rounds. You don't come across to me as some common griefer, however I think that somebody who can barely communicate in the server's only language shouldn't be anywhere near important roles.
You make me sound very dumb and stupid... For one, I never mad dash to the chem lab to make vampire pills, I let others go in and do what they do, after all the marines are gone I'll then make them and surprise! When I am in the chem lab people ask me for vampire pills.

And for two, my first language is English and my English is very fluent, though as Roovic he speaks in a odd Old English way.

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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by MetaphysicalBeing » 11 Sep 2017, 06:08

Kernir wrote:
11 Sep 2017, 05:09
Making potentially lethal chems, mislabling them and then proceeding to do nothing but produce them... even going so far as to spike food with said lethal chems does not instil any level of confidence in me that you are capable of these roles.

Forgot to mention: I've only ever seen Roovic sprinting around the ship on hyperzine when playing as medical staff, last night when he was a doctor for the UPP the first thing he started attempting to do was 'Produce elixirs'. It seems a running thing for him at this point, though I wasn't aware till now that he was actively mislabling pills.
I never poisoned food, ever. So much slander and misinformation on me in this appeal.

So far everyone only knows what they heard, not what they saw.

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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by MetaphysicalBeing » 11 Sep 2017, 06:21

Nicboone wrote:
10 Sep 2017, 22:44
Contributing as a witness here-

I too have also seen many rounds where in somewhat broken english, roovic makes a ton of "vampire pills" then proceeds to find ways to insinuate people should take them. On a few investigations, he has refused to let other doctors or MP's eximine the pills, claimed he told marines to take only one [or that he didnt distribute them] while also using a microphone to announce that people should take them with little to no instruction.

On multiple rounds now, he was asked to stop or remove hyperzine from these pills. The drug itself is designed in a way that more than one pill will kill the player. Each time he ends up agreeing to these terms, then immediately resumes with the same pill recipe he was cautioned against.

It is my experience that this player may have been intentionally misleading in an attempt to get marines to overdose, and I think it would be unwise to lift a job ban so soon after these matches. He was on not 3 hours ago, pulling the same thing.
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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by MetaphysicalBeing » 11 Sep 2017, 07:13

ZDashe wrote:
10 Sep 2017, 20:47

Regarding the "Vampire Blood", I have personally seen this on at least 4 rounds by now, and it always ends up with either getting shut down by the CO (Field executed) /MP (investigated)/CMO (denied distribution). Would imagine you'd have stopped trying by now after people kept getting ODed from your misleadingly labelled pills.

Regarding lifting Researcher and Doctor job ban, i'm voting for no. CMO job ban, definitely not. Too recent and too frequent bans.
Even if they were called hyperzene it doesn't stop people from ODing, once you take the pill you should know by default there is hyperzene in it, if they want to take multiple that's their fault.

Am I really going to suffer because of marines not listening?

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Re: Job ban appeal - CMO & Researcher

Post by Feweh » 11 Sep 2017, 15:15

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